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	<title>Comments on: The Kimbell&#039;s New Michelangelo</title>
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		<title>By: Crystal</title>
		<link>http://www.kera.org/artandseek/content/2009/05/13/the-kimbells-new-michelangelo/comment-page-1/#comment-1238</link>
		<dc:creator>Crystal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 00:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well the story is good but the guy needs too read a little faster for i could understand a little bit because i like when it read fast so yea thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well the story is good but the guy needs too read a little faster for i could understand a little bit because i like when it read fast so yea thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Jerome Weeks</title>
		<link>http://www.kera.org/artandseek/content/2009/05/13/the-kimbells-new-michelangelo/comment-page-1/#comment-589</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerome Weeks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 03:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Michelangelo will be on display at the Met through the early part of September. Mr. Lee told me in our interview that he expects the painting will be at the Kimbell beginning in late September. That&#039;s the best I can offer now, and it&#039;s obviously not definite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Michelangelo will be on display at the Met through the early part of September. Mr. Lee told me in our interview that he expects the painting will be at the Kimbell beginning in late September. That's the best I can offer now, and it's obviously not definite.</p>
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		<title>By: Marty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 01:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you know when the painting will be on display at the Kimbell?  We would like to make a trip from OK to see it.

Congratulations to the Kimbell and its new young director upon this acquisition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you know when the painting will be on display at the Kimbell?  We would like to make a trip from OK to see it.</p>
<p>Congratulations to the Kimbell and its new young director upon this acquisition.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerome Weeks</title>
		<link>http://www.kera.org/artandseek/content/2009/05/13/the-kimbells-new-michelangelo/comment-page-1/#comment-586</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerome Weeks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 17:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, it would be the easiest thing to get a copy of the Schongauer for display/comparison purposes. I mean, anyone can &lt;em&gt;buy&lt;/em&gt; a poster copy at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com/products?hl=en&amp;client=firefox-a&amp;rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&amp;hs=8QM&amp;q=posters+schongauer+st.+anthony+purchase&amp;um=1&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;ei=takNStGwNM7Htgeb2oWFCA&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=product_result_group&amp;resnum=1&amp;ct=title&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Art.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;. 

To get an &lt;em&gt;original&lt;/em&gt; copy is another matter. It&#039;s a copperplate engraving, and there are seven plates still in existence. Whether they&#039;re even up for sale is one issue, another is the current quality of the plate. 

One copy, ironically enough, is at the Met in New York. So the Met may very well have the same idea you did: Display them both.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, it would be the easiest thing to get a copy of the Schongauer for display/comparison purposes. I mean, anyone can <em>buy</em> a poster copy at <a href="http://www.google.com/products?hl=en&#038;client=firefox-a&#038;rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&#038;hs=8QM&#038;q=posters+schongauer+st.+anthony+purchase&#038;um=1&#038;ie=UTF-8&#038;ei=takNStGwNM7Htgeb2oWFCA&#038;sa=X&#038;oi=product_result_group&#038;resnum=1&#038;ct=title" rel="nofollow"><strong>Art.com</strong></a>. </p>
<p>To get an <em>original</em> copy is another matter. It's a copperplate engraving, and there are seven plates still in existence. Whether they're even up for sale is one issue, another is the current quality of the plate. </p>
<p>One copy, ironically enough, is at the Met in New York. So the Met may very well have the same idea you did: Display them both.</p>
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		<title>By: D. B. Wilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>D. B. Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 07:24:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Kimbell Art Museum scored a real coup of fine art collecting with the purchase.  The Kimbell could score a second coup, probably for a fraction of the cost of the Michelangelo, if they could purchase the engraving by Martin Schongauer.  By doing so, the engraving could be displayed side-by-side with &quot;The Torment of St. Anthony,&quot; and visitors to the permanent collection would be able to compare and contrast the inspiration of Michelangelo&#039;s painting with Michalangelo&#039;s actual painting.  This would be an execellent example of how the genius of Michelangelo was developing in his youth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Kimbell Art Museum scored a real coup of fine art collecting with the purchase.  The Kimbell could score a second coup, probably for a fraction of the cost of the Michelangelo, if they could purchase the engraving by Martin Schongauer.  By doing so, the engraving could be displayed side-by-side with "The Torment of St. Anthony," and visitors to the permanent collection would be able to compare and contrast the inspiration of Michelangelo's painting with Michalangelo's actual painting.  This would be an execellent example of how the genius of Michelangelo was developing in his youth.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Hendricks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Hendricks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 16:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The best little museum in the world has done it again. Well done Kimbell, and what a fine early work for any painter let alone one so celebrated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The best little museum in the world has done it again. Well done Kimbell, and what a fine early work for any painter let alone one so celebrated.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerome Weeks</title>
		<link>http://www.kera.org/artandseek/content/2009/05/13/the-kimbells-new-michelangelo/comment-page-1/#comment-580</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerome Weeks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 03:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The scientific tests did not &quot;narrow it down&quot; to a specific year; that&#039;s not what the article says. It says the tests determined it was a &quot;late 15th century painting.&quot; Sorry if that wasn&#039;t clear. That, apparently, is as close as they can get.

What narrows it to 1487-88 is our knowledge of Michelangelo&#039;s biography -- this was before he joined Ghirlandaio&#039;s workshop and this was when we &lt;em&gt;know&lt;/em&gt; he painted such a work. 

The experts were convinced by a number of combined factors. First, there was the scientific dating, which means it can&#039;t be a more recent fabrication. Second, there&#039;s the detail from Condivi&#039;s account about  Michelangelo adding the fish scales -- which you can see very clearly in the top left demon. They&#039;re not in the Schongauer original. Third, the painting techniques are mixed. That is, they&#039;re not consistent -- not like a forger making a copy and trying to convince everyone it&#039;s by a master, nor like a more experienced painter, sure of what he&#039;s doing. More like a young artist trying things out. Fourth, the color palette does resemble what Michelangelo used later with his frescoes in the Sistine Chapel, with its earth tones, greens, browns and reds backed by a blue-grey. Fifth, the pentimenti, the underdrawings, show how Michelangelo changed things. We know that Michelangelo didn&#039;t copy the Schongauer precisely (the painting is actually notably larger than the engraving), but we didn&#039;t really know what those changes might be. The most significant addition is the landscape beneath St. Anthony and the demons, which resembles Italian Renaissance scenery. 

That&#039;s what I know now about what went into the attribution. No doubt, there will be more details to come.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The scientific tests did not "narrow it down" to a specific year; that's not what the article says. It says the tests determined it was a "late 15th century painting." Sorry if that wasn't clear. That, apparently, is as close as they can get.</p>
<p>What narrows it to 1487-88 is our knowledge of Michelangelo's biography &#8212; this was before he joined Ghirlandaio's workshop and this was when we <em>know</em> he painted such a work. </p>
<p>The experts were convinced by a number of combined factors. First, there was the scientific dating, which means it can't be a more recent fabrication. Second, there's the detail from Condivi's account about  Michelangelo adding the fish scales &#8212; which you can see very clearly in the top left demon. They're not in the Schongauer original. Third, the painting techniques are mixed. That is, they're not consistent &#8212; not like a forger making a copy and trying to convince everyone it's by a master, nor like a more experienced painter, sure of what he's doing. More like a young artist trying things out. Fourth, the color palette does resemble what Michelangelo used later with his frescoes in the Sistine Chapel, with its earth tones, greens, browns and reds backed by a blue-grey. Fifth, the pentimenti, the underdrawings, show how Michelangelo changed things. We know that Michelangelo didn't copy the Schongauer precisely (the painting is actually notably larger than the engraving), but we didn't really know what those changes might be. The most significant addition is the landscape beneath St. Anthony and the demons, which resembles Italian Renaissance scenery. </p>
<p>That's what I know now about what went into the attribution. No doubt, there will be more details to come.</p>
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		<title>By: ROLF</title>
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		<dc:creator>ROLF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 22:26:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would be interesting to read how scholars manage to narrow down a painting&#039;s year when it was completed centuries ago.  How do they become &quot;convinced&quot; that it was painted while Buonarotti was a pre-teen?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be interesting to read how scholars manage to narrow down a painting's year when it was completed centuries ago.  How do they become "convinced" that it was painted while Buonarotti was a pre-teen?</p>
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		<title>By: Carlo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carlo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 22:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow!</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 17:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How very exciting! I can&#039;t wait to see this work at the Kimball. And I&#039;d love to know more of the behind-the-scenes stories about how the Kimball acquired it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How very exciting! I can't wait to see this work at the Kimball. And I'd love to know more of the behind-the-scenes stories about how the Kimball acquired it&#8230;</p>
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