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	<title>Comments on: The Music Conductor at the Grocery Store</title>
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		<title>By: Jerome Weeks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerome Weeks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 19:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While we&#039;re rhapsodizing (easily) here, let&#039;s not forget Bernstein at the New York Philharmonic, Toscanini at NBC ... or going back more to your day, Willard, Gustav Mahler in New York.

A joke! I swear, just kidding. I really meant Bruno Walter.

At any rate, I wonder how much of a conductor&#039;s personal style is imprinted on an orchestra more as a factor of his length of time over the years as an orchestra&#039;s music director, rather than the amount of time he spends with the orchestra each season. Over the long term, for instance, he can affect hiring choices. And commissions for new works. And various fundraising campaigns (to expand the size of the orchestra, for instance).

In other words, your case for the disappearance of &#039;distinctive orchestral sounds&#039; may have more to do with the butterfly nature of a conducting career nowadays, several appointments at once, each for only a handful of years -- and less to do with a conductor moving in to a town and showing up at the hall every day, eager to beat some sense into the wind section.

I don&#039;t know, just throwing that out. Although now that I&#039;ve watched van Zweden conduct and seen that wrestler&#039;s physique seemingly try to wrench sounds out of the air, I wouldn&#039;t put it past the sheer force of will and personality in some people to have an effect in a comparatively short period of time. A number of writers (the &lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.kera.org/blogs/culture/2008/10/07/the-chicago-tribune-sizes-up-van-zweden/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Chicago Tribune reporter&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.kera.org/artandseek/content/2008/09/10/artist-profile-jaap-van-zweden/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;me&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, mostly) have noted the difference between van Zweden&#039;s glowering public image and the rather affable person he seems to be in real life. 

But I&#039;d sure hate to see him mad. He looks like he could just stare you through a wall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While we&#8217;re rhapsodizing (easily) here, let&#8217;s not forget Bernstein at the New York Philharmonic, Toscanini at NBC &#8230; or going back more to your day, Willard, Gustav Mahler in New York.</p>
<p>A joke! I swear, just kidding. I really meant Bruno Walter.</p>
<p>At any rate, I wonder how much of a conductor&#8217;s personal style is imprinted on an orchestra more as a factor of his length of time over the years as an orchestra&#8217;s music director, rather than the amount of time he spends with the orchestra each season. Over the long term, for instance, he can affect hiring choices. And commissions for new works. And various fundraising campaigns (to expand the size of the orchestra, for instance).</p>
<p>In other words, your case for the disappearance of &#8216;distinctive orchestral sounds&#8217; may have more to do with the butterfly nature of a conducting career nowadays, several appointments at once, each for only a handful of years &#8212; and less to do with a conductor moving in to a town and showing up at the hall every day, eager to beat some sense into the wind section.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know, just throwing that out. Although now that I&#8217;ve watched van Zweden conduct and seen that wrestler&#8217;s physique seemingly try to wrench sounds out of the air, I wouldn&#8217;t put it past the sheer force of will and personality in some people to have an effect in a comparatively short period of time. A number of writers (the <strong><a href="http://www.kera.org/blogs/culture/2008/10/07/the-chicago-tribune-sizes-up-van-zweden/" rel="nofollow">Chicago Tribune reporter</a></strong> and <strong><a href="http://www.kera.org/artandseek/content/2008/09/10/artist-profile-jaap-van-zweden/" rel="nofollow">me</a></strong>, mostly) have noted the difference between van Zweden&#8217;s glowering public image and the rather affable person he seems to be in real life. </p>
<p>But I&#8217;d sure hate to see him mad. He looks like he could just stare you through a wall.</p>
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		<title>By: Willard Spiegelman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Willard Spiegelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 01:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s easy, but now pointless, to rhapsodize over the good old days when a conductor was at the helm all the time, day in and day out. Szell in Cleveland, Ormandy in my hometown of Philadelphia, Koussevitzsky in Boston, Reiner in Chicago. The most important thing that cannot be recovered, however, is the distinctive sound of each of these orchestras. Without sufficient time to be &quot;molded&quot; by a conductor, each orchestra will begin to sound pretty much like all the others, although a conductor -- whether resident or visiting -- might be able to coax some unusual effects from his ensemble on a temporary basis. Tempus fugit; so do tempi . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s easy, but now pointless, to rhapsodize over the good old days when a conductor was at the helm all the time, day in and day out. Szell in Cleveland, Ormandy in my hometown of Philadelphia, Koussevitzsky in Boston, Reiner in Chicago. The most important thing that cannot be recovered, however, is the distinctive sound of each of these orchestras. Without sufficient time to be &#8220;molded&#8221; by a conductor, each orchestra will begin to sound pretty much like all the others, although a conductor &#8212; whether resident or visiting &#8212; might be able to coax some unusual effects from his ensemble on a temporary basis. Tempus fugit; so do tempi . . .</p>
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